Ep 24: Living an adventurous life with Paul Holland

“Everything will be okay in the end. If it’s not okay, it’s not the end.”

In this warm, real-deal episode of Humaning, I sit down with Paul Holland—a long-time friend and fellow explorer of the human experience. We delve into the gifts (and growing pains) of uncertainty, navigating midlife transitions, redefining fatherhood, and pursuing freedom on our own terms.

🧠 What's This Episode About?

Paul and I reconnect after 15 years to unpack the lessons of change—moving house, moving through uncertainty, and moving closer to a life that actually fits. From parenting and divorce to building businesses and band practice at 53, this is a rich, winding conversation about letting life unfold and staying open to what's next.

💬 What We Talk About

✅ Moving 11 times in 17 years and finally landing somewhere that feels like home
✅ Redefining success beyond hustle, pressure and comparison
✅ Sitting in the discomfort of professional crossroads
✅ Co-parenting, conflict, and the evolution of fatherhood
✅ Anger, repair, and learning how to say what’s real
✅ Why freedom—not certainty—is the real endgame

🧭 Why It Matters

If you've ever felt stuck between who you were and who you're becoming—this one's for you. Paul brings honesty, humour, and hard-won insight into what it means to keep reinventing ourselves while staying grounded in what matters most.

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Ep 23: Finding freedom in uncertainty with Katia Erokhina